Okay, just a couple of comments on this pack. First off this is a serious piece. These are definitely built to a standard. The group of these we have for sale are good to very good condition. Now Let me tell you what these are not. They are not Brand new, they may have dust or sand on them, not a lot, however, they were in the desert what do you expect? So when you get it, Clean It Up. also many of them have tape on the strap pulls. You will want to do the same to keep everything squared away, nevertheless, that’s what it is.